Has anyone else noticed the shift in attitude around here? - Page 2

gweempose · 11-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by preforme

I realize a lot of people need more in a phone than what the Pre does, and many people use their devices for business ...

I think you bring up a very important point that is often overlooked when taking in the big picture. I do not use my Pre for business, and I think this is one of the main reasons why I am basically satisfied with it. As long as I can talk on it, check my email, and surf the web with a great browser, I'm pretty much a happy camper. I think many people are starting to realize that the Pre is not the best choice for hardcore business use.

chris · 11-05-2009, 02:00 PM

[quote=fwarchol;132300 Remember, people who come to this site are just a small fraction (and I mean small) of Pre owners and I would guarantee that those who do not come to this site still love their Pre. I am a little disappointed though that alot of members have seemed to jump ship.....[/quote]

I agree. Forum members make up a small percentage of the actual install base. They are also where you find most of the complaints, since people come to forums because they have a problem.

gweempose · 11-05-2009, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by chris

I am glad to see less people calling out members for being trolls if they mention anything negative about the Pre or mention the iPhone ...

Yes, this is definitely part of the overall shift in forum mindset. People used to unflinchingly defend the Pre whether someone's criticism of the phone was valid or not. Early on, anyone who said anything negative was almost viewed as a traitor. Some of the underlying hostility is still present, but I think a lot of it is now aimed squarely at Palm.

miguelchin36 · 11-05-2009, 02:37 PM

still loving my pre, i probably wont leave it anytime soon, i know there is many people frustrated cuz it can't do one thing or another, I got it to do all i want it, not out of the box but that is the reason i like it cuz i worked on it to make it work for me, hacks, patches, homebrews which ever, it took care of my problem, before this i had a Moto Q9c and I know i did anything i could so it will serve my needs and not look out of the box. To me is a toy, my laptop you look at it you could not figure out what OS I'm running unless you hit the Start key(windows key) + pause/break. But that is me, I like braking things to see how they work and then fix them my self, and the pre you couldn't brick it, what harm can i really do to it that i wont be able to fix. There is only one thing the pre is lacking that i would like to have but dont need, vid recording, that is it, zooming and all that for pics, no biggy i got my Canon SD950 is with me all the time, music i got my ipod or use pandora, I'm not big on portable video games but i can always barrow the ds from my son. I'm sure once my year is up ill look for a new toy but who knows i still got 7 months to play with this one.

sonso · 11-05-2009, 10:40 PM

whatever the reason I've definitely noticed it.

personally I still love the phone but I am growing more and more impatient. I am clueless when it comes to development and testing but I still feel that Palm has missed some very simple opportunities and that they are still messing up.

joek71 · 11-05-2009, 11:47 PM

I am first in line to congrat the pre and first to bash it, i was thinking of jumping ship, to the Hero but decided to stay with palm, i want to see where palm goes, i gave it 1yr till summer of 2010, i would like to see lot of fixes and we all know what they are, no need to get in to them, and i would like to see all patches be put in to the update, dont see why other people should do all the work for palm when all those tweaks / patches should have been in the pre in the first place, want to see if palm will open up to the openGL for gaming, make a faster pre and give us the people options to customize our pre's to our liking,from ringtones to syncing, also dont see reason to pay 3rd party software when palm should have made a desktop manager something like RIM has, so we be able to sync all out information. Want to see what pre 2 would be like, so if palm does not fix its way by next summer i think there will be lot more people jumping ship then just me, look at the HTC Hero they have a simple app that allows you to sync your Hero with MS Outlook and then the Hero will sync with you google account if you have one, or any other that you want to sync with, palm could have made this, huge minus for Palm in my book. I would like to see where these new hires take the pre to, what level they can achieve with pre, 1 yr should be long time for them to do this. Also HTC filed a new patent for something that looks like the swipe cards that the pre has, instead of cards HTC made book with pages, looks interesting, so other companies are moving forward and it looks like palm is just sitting still and playing cat & mouse with Apple and iTunes, who gives a SH*T about this, enough of this game, palm has more things to worry about the stupid iTUnes, just make xml file and call it the day, palm should optimize its os to work faster and more fluent like iphone or the hero, and i never heard of this stupid limit space on any phone, this was not smart on palm behave, palm has a huge mountain to climb so they better start climbing or they will just fall.

aplusmiami · 11-05-2009, 11:53 PM

I still got my pre.. if 1.3 does not knock my socks off.. I will swap numbers and the pre will become backup to the hero. Hardware wise... The Pre is suppose to be superior than most, firmware needs a kick in the butt.

MasterSith88 · 11-06-2009, 12:15 AM

I think everyone is looking at this backwards...

Android phones are coming out on all carriers in all shapes and sizes it seems so as an end user I feel much more confortable with my Pre than I would be with one of the many Android phones coming out right now. WebOS is being worked on right now specifically for the Pre/Pixi you cant say that about Android phones. I know some people will assume that the WebOS will fail by only being supported by Palm or the Pre/Pixi but I am willing to bet that those 2 phones will be much easier to use than the first 50 Android phones that use android but are not tailored to the hardware of the phone.

Keep in mind that Apple has 1 well made phone model and only those units use apple's OS. Having a broad array of phones does not make an OS better or more sucessful.

I see the future playing out with Android replacing Windows Mobile as the cookie cutter OS that is placed inn smartphones. Apple will continue with what it does best and focus on a single line with its own OS and Palm will have it's smartphones all run WebOS (maybe 3-4 different lines) and strike a middle of the road approach where their devices are tailored for their OS but supports more than 1 series of phones.

aplusmiami · 11-06-2009, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by MasterSith88

I think everyone is looking at this backwards...

Android phones are coming out on all carriers in all shapes and sizes it seems so as an end user I feel much more confortable with my Pre than I would be with one of the many Android phones coming out right now. WebOS is being worked on right now specifically for the Pre/Pixi you cant say that about Android phones. I know some people will assume that the WebOS will fail by only being supported by Palm or the Pre/Pixi but I am willing to bet that those 2 phones will be much easier to use than the first 50 Android phones that use android but are not tailored to the hardware of the phone.

Keep in mind that Apple has 1 well made phone model and only those units use apple's OS. Having a broad array of phones does not make an OS better or more sucessful.

I see the future playing out with Android replacing Windows Mobile as the cookie cutter OS that is placed inn smartphones. Apple will continue with what it does best and focus on a single line with its own OS and Palm will have it's smartphones all run WebOS (maybe 3-4 different lines) and strike a middle of the road approach where their devices are tailored for their OS but supports more than 1 series of phones.

Unfortuanetely Apple's model of Building a closed OS around it's closed(legally closed) hardware has been a model of failure in the past. Technology changes to fast.. People are always going to want the latest and greatist. The OS will ALWAYS (IMHO) need to keep up with the hardware in order to survive. Having an Open OS across many CPU/GPU platforms is the ONLY way to go if you plan to survive. Even more so as the mobile device looks to replace the desktop pc.

joek71 · 11-06-2009, 10:13 AM

Android is working or worked on and coming out with 2.0 and 2.1 is in the works, so maybe due to the size of Palm that they are having a hard time developing updates, Android is a huge company and has more developers so they can put more man hours in. But Palm releases webOS to early and under cooked with tons of missing options that should have been already in the OS when released. If within 1 yr Palm does not move there butts lot of people including me will be gone to the other side, Android.