Leaked AT&T training docs point out Palm Pre’s flaws For upclose picture quality go to this link :http://www.precentral.net/att-vs-pre-internal-document-smackdown-oh-no-you-didnt
I for one am happy to see this. If at&t is doing this, they must think that palm has something for them to worry about... "very limited business applications at launch" is this the best they could come up with, do they even know what all the business applications will be at launch...I don't know them all and I spend alot of time every day googleing the Pre... This just makes me want one more...@palm release date soon please :wink:
I love how it says "gesture area unintuitive"..... How's that work? because it doesn't rely on just a home button to close all apps to do some menial thing to have to re-open what you were doing before? if AT&T wants to bash the pre, at least make it believable. When I get mine I'm going to walk in and ask "what's better, the pre or the iphone?" and watch the sales rep as he pees his pants trying to sway me.. in the end i'll just have to smack him in the eye with my pre-ness.. (pun intended)
i wish they would release this phone already. SMH at at&t for bashing the Pre BEFORE it is even released. I would have expected Palm to do this first but.......they must be a littled worried over there from what I've just seen.
I was under the impression that the Pre had aGPS. The sheet makes it appear that it doesn't. Anybody know?
I want a pre and some of this is unfounded as pointed out, but also in fairness...this is comparing the Iphone 3G and not the 3.0 that will take video and edit it (the pre can not), have wi-fi N (the pre will not), have 32gb compared to the set 8gb of pre that cannot be expanded, have radio receiver and transmitter to do traffic in realtime and broadcast your mp3's to your car stereo, it will be an HD screen that can support 720p in conjunction with the HD video store, a 3.2gb camera (same as the pre)...those are some serious upgrades and blow the Pre away in a number of areas. Then there's the 3.0 software that closes the gap in everyway except multitasking and they do "multitasking lite" (the only things there existing OS could do) with push notification. This had made the choice unbelievably difficult for me, though I wanted to like the Pre best from the start...I HATE APPLE. It's my "hater" mentality that's ruling out the Iphone, but that said its still a close call. It comes down to this. I like the touchstone and it's potential (apple doesn't have this). I love the true multi-touch capability and the cards multitasking, like with running pandora (Iphone can run Itunes and do an app btw)...and I love the keyboard. The number of apps is insane with the Iphone and no matter how easy it is to program on the Pre and how quickly it would catch on (I only believe it will truly grab hold if Dell buys Palm) it is hard to deny...you can track blood sugars, and do all of this crazy stuff with these apps. Iphone 3.0 is also going full bore at PSP and Nintendo DS. Apprently with the processor on board it will surpass their gaming capability too. I am not much of a gamer, especially on a phone...but this is another feather in the cap. So, you see, if we're being fair and looking at this fully logically, even though this is a PRe forum...and even I am buying a pre over the Iphone. The Iphone, smokes the Pre in a number of ways. For me the multitasking and keyboard is big, and my passionate apple hatred. I will buy the pre, but I will be waiting for the Pre 2.0 the day after I buy it... Dell needs to step up, for that to happen though. Oh and I didn't even get in to sprint and At&T. They both have pretty shoddy coverage. I am in NC and Sprint is awful on their coverage map...which scares me too. Why can't verizon get any of the cool phones? Pre on Sprint, Android on T-mobile, and Iphone on At&T...they all suck compared the verizon coverage. 4G sounds great and all, but Sprint needs to work on coverage period...especially if you're not in a major metro area (and especially if you're not in the only Wi-Maxx area of Baltimore). Anyway, just my thoughts...
The pre does have turn by turn GPS with Sprint's service, which I think will be included in the plan. Oh and along with my post above...one feather in sprint's cap despite the worst coverage is the price is the best dollar for dollar...The $70 data and 1500 minute plan is pretty solid.
Yep. Around 1:40. The "leak" is either a document that an ATnT employee made to make his boss happy or it's propaganda purposely "leaked" by ATnT to spread rumors. Either way, it was written on incomplete research.
Thank you for your post, neogenic, but I'm not sure that all of the points you mentioned are correct so I'd like to solicit the community's help in confirming them. ▪ Palm lists the Pre screen thusly: 3.1-inch touch screen with a vibrant 24-bit color 320x480 resolution HVGA display ▪ Apple says of the iPhone: 3.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen Multi-Touch display; 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi So if the pixel resolution is the same for both screens, but the Pre is a bit smaller, then I would think each Pre pixel is a bit smaller and would thereby offer a crisper image. We know that the Pre processor (which is reported to be better than the iPhone) can render 720p high def video, so it looks to me like it's a draw - the Pre has a better screen, the iPhone has a bigger screen. Based on developers' reports it will be pretty easy to write a program like this. Based on reports of the delay in getting approval by Apple I would surmise that the Palm store will be populated quickly. It's possible that Palm will be as draconian as Apple but not likely. The comparisons so far have been the Pre and the iPhone 3G, not the 3.0. Further, if the Pre isn't targeting the mobile gaming market I don't think it's "another feather in the cap" Thoughts? .
You're referring to the iphone 3g resolution and not the Iphone 3.0/4g phone forthcoming. Nearly all the details are out on. The HD store is forthcoming this June/July and there will be much content to sell...and the new Iphone will support it. This is more than a rumor and has been posted innumerous places. Apple's store is in beta. http://dvice.com/archives/2009/04/hd-iphone-rumor.php I didn't even mention the Jibbler code in the SDK that will support voice commands to dial, open apps, and talk back to you...through the bluetooth device. Hands free operation is nice. And again, I think you misunderstood the app as far as blood sugar, not quite as simple as you're assuming. I am a huge tech guy, so I follow all this stuff. It is pretty incredible. Not saying this could be out on the Pre, but it's speaks to its breadth and maturity in options for a consumer. http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-p...help-parents-track-kids-health-from-afar.html I am not buying an iphone, nor do I game...but you're absolutely insane from a sales perspective if you do not think the gaming aspects are not significant on the forthcoming iphone. The graphics acceleration and refined accellerometer as well as the ability to connect iphones wirelessly and game (like the Zune social function or the Nintendo DS) not only offers obvious gaming function (and businessman and soccer moms game too), but a wealth of potential with applications...any of those features could be built in to a non gaming application as well. The number one selling paid app on iphone is Crash Bandicoot BTW. And I know that the document was comparing the Pre vs. the Iphone 3g...I was making points that while the Pre is superior in a number of ways and I agree the document is misleading...many of the points for comparison will exist only for 4 weeks until the Iphone 4G comes out in June. I feel like I forced, negatively, to feel like I am "trolling" in this thread. Ironically, I am buying a pre and I just thought it would be worth discussion. Just as the At&T document is misleading, endless Pre affection without objectivity is full of bias as well and precludes a logical discourse describing the technology, software and infrastructure involved on either side.
Naw dog, your posts are making a lot of sense in comparison to some of the other newer guys. Troll on.
neogenic I like neogenic's Pre vs. iPhone comparisons better than AT&T's. At least neogenic makes sense. I mean, look at AT&T's nonsense: "Can't receive map updates or location assist information in most of the world due to lack of GSM capability". This is pathetic on four levels. What you're basically telling me is that the first Pres will be CDMA. Well, DUH. If you need GSM so badly, you can have it in 6 months. Is "Update GIS maps of Turkey" that common of a use case on iPhone? None of my iPhone-using friends have ever used their device in this fashion. Does AT&T really want to start a fight over GPS functionality? Because if they do, that's fine by me. Show me the iPhone's turn-by-turn nav. Show me the iPhone's rerouting capabilities. Oh wait, there are none. The Pre is a "good enough" substitute for a dedicated GPS device. iPhone's GPS is all manner of grandiose, spectacular fail. Did AT&T remember to mention how much they charge to update your map of Turkey? It's amazing what lengths AT&T had to go to the "prove" that the iPhone 3G is superior to the Pre. Their iPhone vs. Pre comparison chart makes me more excited for the Pre than ever.
